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i was just wondering...because that is a pretty big difference...
 
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| 1000-1200 is the correct amount of calories consumed, there was a notice some time last year explaining this, found it, here it is...... Hi All, It’s just me again! I can see that a lot of you are confused about the energy contribution of the Tony Ferguson program. I can tell you that the energy is 1000-1200 calories (4000-5000kJ) per day. This value will be changed on the website as soon as possible, sorry about any confusion this has caused. For those of you who are worried about what to eat etc its ok. Nothing in the eating plan has changed you are still having the 2 sachets per day, the protein meal at night, all the vegetables and the 2 pieces of fruit. This value has been increased for quite a while it was simply not updated on the site. This calorie value was calculated on the average TF participant. Therefore the fruit has been included, in addition a few cups of tea or decaf coffee per day, some sauces and gravies, the diet jelly and accounting for the use of diet cordials and lollies. I have calculated the energy for a normal day on the program. SAMPLE PLAN (for a woman) BREAKFAST – 1 TF sachet = 852kJ/ 203 calories MORNING TEA – 1 apple = 230kJ/ 55 calories LUNCH – 1 TF sachet = 852kJ/ 203 calories - 2 cups lettuce = 60kJ/ 14 calories - 1 tomato = 60kJ/ 14 calories - ½ sml Lebanese cucumber = 20kJ/ 5 calories - ¼ sml onion = 16 kJ/ 4 calories - 1 Tbsp allowed salad dressing = 58 kJ AFTERNOON TEA – 1 orange = 300kJ/ 73 calories DINNER – 120g lean beef steak = 995kJ/ 238 calories - ½ cup green beans = 50kJ/ 12 calories - ½ cup cauliflower = 79kJ/ 19 calories - ½ sml zucchini = 27kJ/ 6 calories - 3 florets broccoli = 100kJ/ 24 calories - ½ sml carrot = 50kJ/ 24 calories - 1 tsp garlic = 12kJ/ 3 calories - 1 Tbsp light soy sauce = 38kJ/ 9 calories EXTRAS – 2 cups tea with 1 Tbsp low fat milk in each = 126kJ/ 30 calories - 250mL diet jelly (1/2 sachet) = 76kJ/ 18 calories - 5 Sugar Free lollies = 215kJ/ 51 cal - 1 tsp olive oil = 336kJ/ 80 calories TOTAL ENERGY = 4552 KJ/ 1088 CALORIES I obtained the values for this plan from the Women’s Weekly Fat and Kilojoule counter. Remember there are slight deviations in kJ/calorie allocation between each and every counter but they are all relatively similar. For men, they would be having double the protein serve of a woman so they would be adding an extra say 1000kJ/ 240 calories to their allowance bringing them upto approximately 5000kj/1200 calories per day. Nothing in this plan should be a ‘new’ food or something you didn’t know about. We always encourage the fruit and the reason it is optional is due to the fact some people don’t like it, they are not that hungry or they are unable to fit it into the program (maybe they don’t get breaks at work etc). Fruit IS included in the plan for the nutritional value and the fact that we encourage you to eat small meals frequently throughout the day, and the fruit allows you to do that. From my experience the majority of people on the program enjoy having that salad with their sachet at lunch time (or now the veggies with their soup!) which is the reason we have included that in our calculation. If you were to look in your weight management book on page 8, you would see our suggested daily meal plan which includes the food I have listed above. I hope this helps to make things a bit clearer. As a few of you have mentioned, you have chosen to omit the fruit or the extra vegetables and that is your choice just know that we have not deceived you in any way and we are happy to clear up any discrepancies in the information you have been given. Also know that choosing to not have these foods will not be dangerous to your health or detrimental to the program. Don’t stress about the calorie counting, we have done that for you which is the beauty of this program. No counting calories, no weighing of foods these are the reasons why people love this program so much. If you follow the suggestions we have made in the book you will reach the required amount of calories. Just keep doing what you are doing and do not be scared off or needlessly worried about these issues which have been raised recently. Be assured that we at Tony Ferguson regard your health as a priority, and we would never put it at a risk. Thanks again & hope this helps (: Sarah – Tony Ferguson Nutritionist Hope that puts your mind to rest.......


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| I put on a post last year warning people to have their full allottment of food for the day. I did some sums and I didn't have the fruit ( was told by TF Penrith if I didn't my losses would be better) and I was only consuming 670 cals per day (this was after changing to the larger size shakes, would have been even less with the smaller packets). My friend in the fitness industy told me that is unhealthy and virtually starving yourself, so after that I made sure I was having my fruit. I am sure that is why I was getting dark circles under my eyes and everone was telling me how awful I looked. You can do a quick tally at www.calorieking.com.au. If you go back a bit you can find the thread where quite a few people were surprised how little they were consuming. The programme was oringinally a VLCD (even the website name was www.tfvlcd.com) and then the sachets were increased in size from 40-52gms to comply with regulations and it then became an LCD-that is IF YOU HAVE EVERYTHING YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE IN A DAY. Pat
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think this is a great thread I'm gonna pin it so it can be read by every one :0 think it covers a huge topic thanx ladies
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1 year on TF 28.02.07 weight 69.7 maintenance program 1.09 07 = 70 restart 10.02.08 NO more bloody excuses tour weight = 81.5 2 years ..... lost 300 = 79.1
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thanks for that....was getting a tad confused... as i work out too... i was like ...awesome.. im now in the negatives lol
 
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| The recommended sample plan represents a large increase in food intake for me (I was just eating one meal a day). I found that the TF staff where I signed up did not really know how to respond to that but suggested just having one sachet per day instead of two (although she sounded very uncertain). So, most days I have been having the shake in the morning, the fruit (when I crave sugar), the protein and the veges (lots of veges), but having salad for lunch instead of the second sachet. I was already getting my 2 litres of water per day even before starting the diet so that has been no problem. Is this okay? How will this affect my weight loss? Also, I know it says there is no limit to veges but how does eating more of them affect weight loss? I've been on this diet less than a week and it would be good to know that I'm getting it right before I get into any bad habits. Thanks.
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I can't really tell you if this is okay, however i can join you in wondering the same. It sounds as though we do the same thing and i have been wondering if it is okay or not. I am feeling okay and not at all tired without my shake at lunch- last week i did this (my 2nd week) and i lost 2.2kg so i'm assuming it is okay......hopefully someone can help.
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Logan (25/10/2007) I am feeling okay and not at all tired without my shake at lunch- last week i did this (my 2nd week) and i lost 2.2kg so i'm assuming it is okay......hopefully someone can help.NO! you have to have your lunchtime shake/soup. you have to have 2 shakes or 1 shake and 1 soup plus protien and vegies/salad a day everyday. [min 3 cups of vegies]. you dont have to have the fruit and you must drink atleast 2ltrs of water a day aswell. if you start missing meals ie shake, you will start to gain weight. this is a low cal diet as it is so to miss meals you will only make your body go into starvation mode and wont lose anything.
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The example given by Sarah on this thread assumes that the 'average' TF dieter is eating absolutely everything the diet allows, including 6 cups of vegies a day rather than the minimum 3 cups. When I was doing the diet 2 years ago, I was told not to worry about the fruit and that it was only really there for if we were hungry. The whole point of being in ketosis is that you're not hungry a lot of the time, so I went weeks without having the fruit. I didn't eat bananas or carrots for the whole 10 weeks, as they were clearly frowned on. I was also told to avoid dressings and sauces as much as possible, so I used lime juice most of the time. The result is that for most of the 10 weeks I was on the diet, I would have been lucky to make 700 calories in a day, and there were many days I would only have had 650.
So, I think it's really important to keep an eye on calories while you're on TF and just to guard against letting them fall too low.
Another thing is salt. I was advised to avoid salt like the plague as it can aid in water retention. However when you're in ketosis, the kidneys need potassium ions to join onto the ketones in order to excrete them. As the body loses potassium, this signals a centre in the brain to start releasing sodium (salt) as well. Therefore you lose a lot of salt while in ketosis. The shakes only provide 160-170 mgs each, or say 280 mgs in a day. Therefore if a TF dieter is to get even the minimum of 1000 mgs salt a day - let alone say the maximum 3000 mgs to help keep enough salt in the body - then they need to eat some salt. This may explain why I was craving salt after 6 or 7 weeks and why, once I came off the diet, I spent an entire week eating my food highly salted until I felt I'd had enough. I think the so-called carb cravings that some people get are actually a need for salt. It wouldn't do to go overboard, but a teaspoon of salt a day would seem reasonable if you're in a state where you're craving it.
Lastly, I was routinely told the constipation I experienced was a result of insufficient fibre and water, and that I simply needed to "eat more fibre, drink more water " to get rid of it. It turns out however that when insulin levels plummet - as they do on a low-glucose diet - the levels of a handmaiden hormone named glucogen rise. This is what tells the liver to start producing energy from fat and what kicks you into ketosis. One of the key effects of glucogen is to decrease the motility of the digestive tract and bowel - it relaxes all those muscles to try and keep food in there for longer, to maximise energy extraction. So constipation (or alternately diarrhoea) are going to be unavoidable side effects in many people. The Simply Fibre contains Slippery Elm to soothe and stimulate the bowel, but it's not going to be enough to counteract hormonal influences, and shoving more and more fibre into an already stressed bowel probably isn't a good idea.
The Simply Fibre also contains Red Clover, which is a powerful phyto-oestrogen, and after 8 weeks on 2-3 teaspoons a day it my breasts were noticeably swollen and aching. Harvard Medical School say Red Clover is contraindicated for anyone with a family history of breast cancer, as it can stimulate the growth of cancerous cells in people who are predisposed to it. I think this needs to be known and publicised by the TF consultants. This diet is fantastic for relatively pain-free weightloss, but not all aspects of it are innocuous, and if I go back on it I'll be adjusting it to account for the things I discovered along the way last time.
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