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Posted Wednesday, 28 October 2009 1:22 PM


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Personally I think most surgery options are more trouble than they're worth. The simple fact of the matter is that most of the time if you don't adjust what you're eating you're going to keep weight on anyway. My aunt had a gastric bypass YEARS ago and has been a size 20 upwards ever since because she still eats food that's either high in fat and sugars or bad carbs. It took her getting on an exercise bike and changing her diet to change that, and even now I don't think she's under an 18.

You're going to have to change your diet no matter what happens when it comes to loosing weight. I've seen too many people try to loose weight with gastric options only to have it fail because they haven't done anything to adjust their diet. Ok, so they can only eat a small amount. But if it's still not healthy it's not going to change anything. You'll loose a certain amount and then get stuck there just like my aunt.

I know that they work really well for some people, but I have to assume that those people are responsible enough to adjust their diet as required by their doctor after the surgery. If you have to change your diet anyway, why not just change to eating responsibly anyway and still have the option of stuffing yourself silly with good food every now and then? Lol.




 
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Posted Wednesday, 28 October 2009 1:30 PM


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Hey listen, i was just up in calorie king, and someone up there asked the same questions as you, you might want to read this as it is really really interesting http://www.calorieking.com.au/community/forums/posts.php?forum_id=150&thread_id=103177&page=1


20-22 August - TF health & wellness retreat being held in nsw -  http://www.tonyferguson.com/retreat

(i want to go cheaper, and if we get three or more people to go we only pay $499 for a weekend of fun & motivation)


Members hints and tips are here : http://forum.tonyferguson.com/Topic526318-7-1.aspx


TF Exercise & Food guidelines are found here http://forum.tonyferguson.com/Topic543442-11-1.aspx
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Posted Wednesday, 28 October 2009 4:34 PM


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Download (28/10/2009)
Personally I think most surgery options are more trouble than they're worth. The simple fact of the matter is that most of the time if you don't adjust what you're eating you're going to keep weight on anyway. My aunt had a gastric bypass YEARS ago and has been a size 20 upwards ever since because she still eats food that's either high in fat and sugars or bad carbs. It took her getting on an exercise bike and changing her diet to change that, and even now I don't think she's under an 18.

You're going to have to change your diet no matter what happens when it comes to loosing weight. I've seen too many people try to loose weight with gastric options only to have it fail because they haven't done anything to adjust their diet. Ok, so they can only eat a small amount. But if it's still not healthy it's not going to change anything. You'll loose a certain amount and then get stuck there just like my aunt.

I know that they work really well for some people, but I have to assume that those people are responsible enough to adjust their diet as required by their doctor after the surgery. If you have to change your diet anyway, why not just change to eating responsibly anyway and still have the option of stuffing yourself silly with good food every now and then? Lol.

 

Good Point Download!

I heard you have to lose weight before you have surgery anyway... they put you on a shake style diet for 2 weeks prior (like Optifast) to show you can lose weight and you are committed.  I guess the main difference is you are literally FORCED to eat little amounts of babyfood like foods.

What worries me about surgery, is even if you 'can't' eat certain foods.  The emotional battle will still be there if we don't deal with it.

 

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- a healthier, happier painfree sandradeee

 

  

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Post #518704
Posted Wednesday, 11 November 2009 3:47 PM


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Hey all,

Last week (Nov 2) had gastric balloon inserted. Basically I'm still at an early stage, but I had some spaghetti for lunch - its just the amounts of food you can handle changes, and I have a constant feeling of fullness. The days following the operation weren't great as your body tries to reject the balloon. But now I'm fine, back at work. etc

It's a 12 month program, where you go in for monthly consultations - with first a dietician, fitness consultant, and of course doctor. The balloon is supposed to be in for 6 months, and the program goes for a further 6.

Each to their own. Anyone interested, just drop me a line.


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Posted Wednesday, 11 November 2009 4:42 PM


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glad to see your doing ok cullen

how much can you eat in one go with the balloon? im just being a dory


20-22 August - TF health & wellness retreat being held in nsw -  http://www.tonyferguson.com/retreat

(i want to go cheaper, and if we get three or more people to go we only pay $499 for a weekend of fun & motivation)


Members hints and tips are here : http://forum.tonyferguson.com/Topic526318-7-1.aspx


TF Exercise & Food guidelines are found here http://forum.tonyferguson.com/Topic543442-11-1.aspx
Members Recipes are here: http://wp.me/pRbDh-1
Tonys Recipes are here: http://www.tonyferguson.com/weight-loss-recipes.aspx
Allowed Food List http://forum.tonyferguson.com/Topic279610-9-1.aspx
How to put things onto the Forum: http://forum.tonyferguson.com/Topic257082-3-1.aspx
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Posted Wednesday, 11 November 2009 7:00 PM
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Hi,

As many said each their own but I would like to share my story with you.

I had the band put in August 2004 and lost 70 kgs up to last year in September 2008.

I started having serious problems which were not picked up by the surgeon at the time and ended up hospital for over 10 weeks. My band had eroded my stomach and all my stomach contents leaked into mysystem infecting my body.  I  was life support for 10 days not knowing what was happening to me. My family was told I might not make it, and to prepare themselves.

I woke up 10 days later in ICU and was totally stuffed!. All I could remember doing is wiggle my toes. I had no energy and was classified malnourished.  I had a further 10 days in ICU/High dependency. I had trouble with my lungs, I needed four people to move me and they used to strap me into a chair daily.  I ended up getting transferred to the rehab centre of the town's private hospital where I eventually untook daily physio sessions and then water sessions. I had to work
hard to get out of hospital in the second week of December 2008.

My stomach was not torn just through vomiting, it was eroded through the band rubbing against it like your shorts might erode between your legs after alot of use.  I had to have a portion of my stomach cut away so they could sew it together securely.

They say this sort of thing only happens to very few but when you are that one, it is so hard to comprehend that you nearly lost your life all because of weight issue. Not to mention the stress on your love ones.  I have no idea if long term, if this event has caused me any long term effects. I will just have to want and see.

Living with the band is not easy, stress, heat emotions can make the band tight and you cannot get things down, if if you chew them 100 times.  Its unpredictable. Most bandsters will overeat on the days/times they can get food down and on those time when things are not so good, they will try anything and everything.  Its not a way to life long term. And as someone has mentioned her mum got the band out and she put some of the weight back on.  Look at me, if I really honest with your folks, I have put on 31kgs since January 30, 2009 when I last went into TF with good intentions of working the program but totally fell off the wagon.  I will admit during this weight gain and rejoining TF, I had the major decision of giving up my full time permanent government job to take over the care of my elderly mother and have just gone through the anniversary of when things went seriously south which any emotional eater would have the scales moving north instead of south.  I have still done some serious damage to my weight loss!  I never really learnt anything over that five year period really, the band did it all for me.  You would have thought that the feeling of being so much lighter would have motivated me to keep the weight off but no, I went back to my comfort eating until I found myself not fitting into my clothes and knew I  had to do something about it.

TF works for me as I am a Territorian who loves her Pauls Iced Coffee and am addicted to white bread.  The shakes allows me to have a "milk drink" of a morning which feels normal to me.  I like the shakes.  TF is teaching me about portion control and good foods. Yes there are things I cannot have but with the new progress program I know in time when the weight is back down, I will again be allow to eat such things and enjoy.  I am learning and I am achieving and it is me in control of the situation and not a foreign crutch.  I did alot of research at the beginning when thinking about the lapband and everyone just breezed over the complications that I too did not really think seriously about. But as said, if it was you, the unlucky one and find yourself in that position like I did, its such a horrible, horrible situation to be in. The guilt of putting your love ones through it and knowing you could have died!  I have been asked if I would have another band and the answer is No. 

I intend working the TF program as good as I can and for as long as it is necessary to get to my goal weight of 85kgs. I know there are big chances it will be three steps forward and two back, but I am determined to achieve this time and with this forum and believe I will!

I do wish you the very best in whatever you do but felt the need to share my story with you.

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Posted Wednesday, 11 November 2009 9:26 PM


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~~Mountain-Maiden~~ (11/11/2009)
glad to see your doing ok cullen

how much can you eat in one go with the balloon? im just being a dory


Hey Mountain Maiden,

As I only had it in last week, still in the 'soft food' phase. For breakfast had a small sustagen popper, lunch I had a baby-sized tin of spaghetti and dinner I had maybe half a potato and a few bites of chicken. I feel pretty full, may have had too much chicken! haha It's just this stage where I'm getting my energy back up - so anything soft I will have, then the food becomes a calorie-controlled situation.

Eventually will be able to eat most foods, but just more like a bread-and-butter side plate. I will know more in a few weeks when things settle and I learn how much I can handle etc.

Didn't want to go through the gastric band or the other thing where they cut your stomach in half - too scary and dangerous!

All the best!

Cullen


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Posted Thursday, 12 November 2009 7:42 AM


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Ohh kakadoo that sounds horrible - glad you are on the mend now

Hey cullen, what made you come to the decision to have the balloon? Theres lots of options out there, but the balloon isnt like the banding is it? Would liquids fill it, i mean, like if you were to have a drink, would that fill the balloon so you wouldnt be able to have much food after, or does it like filter through.  I am also assuming that you would have to take multi-vitamens also to compliment your food intake.

I do mean to be a dory as i havent heard of the balloon before, and its always good to get info from people who have been there and done it. Im not considering getting it done, but i am curious about the procedure and its ok if you dont want to answer the questions.


20-22 August - TF health & wellness retreat being held in nsw -  http://www.tonyferguson.com/retreat

(i want to go cheaper, and if we get three or more people to go we only pay $499 for a weekend of fun & motivation)


Members hints and tips are here : http://forum.tonyferguson.com/Topic526318-7-1.aspx


TF Exercise & Food guidelines are found here http://forum.tonyferguson.com/Topic543442-11-1.aspx
Members Recipes are here: http://wp.me/pRbDh-1
Tonys Recipes are here: http://www.tonyferguson.com/weight-loss-recipes.aspx
Allowed Food List http://forum.tonyferguson.com/Topic279610-9-1.aspx
How to put things onto the Forum: http://forum.tonyferguson.com/Topic257082-3-1.aspx
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Posted Thursday, 12 November 2009 2:45 PM


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Kakadu_chook (11/11/2009)
Hi,

As many said each their own but I would like to share my story with you.

I had the band put in August 2004 and lost 70 kgs up to last year in September 2008.

I started having serious problems which were not picked up by the surgeon at the time and ended up hospital for over 10 weeks. My band had eroded my stomach and all my stomach contents leaked into mysystem infecting my body.  I  was life support for 10 days not knowing what was happening to me. My family was told I might not make it, and to prepare themselves.

I woke up 10 days later in ICU and was totally stuffed!. All I could remember doing is wiggle my toes. I had no energy and was classified malnourished.  I had a further 10 days in ICU/High dependency. I had trouble with my lungs, I needed four people to move me and they used to strap me into a chair daily.  I ended up getting transferred to the rehab centre of the town's private hospital where I eventually untook daily physio sessions and then water sessions. I had to work
hard to get out of hospital in the second week of December 2008.

My stomach was not torn just through vomiting, it was eroded through the band rubbing against it like your shorts might erode between your legs after alot of use.  I had to have a portion of my stomach cut away so they could sew it together securely.

They say this sort of thing only happens to very few but when you are that one, it is so hard to comprehend that you nearly lost your life all because of weight issue. Not to mention the stress on your love ones.  I have no idea if long term, if this event has caused me any long term effects. I will just have to want and see.

Living with the band is not easy, stress, heat emotions can make the band tight and you cannot get things down, if if you chew them 100 times.  Its unpredictable. Most bandsters will overeat on the days/times they can get food down and on those time when things are not so good, they will try anything and everything.  Its not a way to life long term. And as someone has mentioned her mum got the band out and she put some of the weight back on.  Look at me, if I really honest with your folks, I have put on 31kgs since January 30, 2009 when I last went into TF with good intentions of working the program but totally fell off the wagon.  I will admit during this weight gain and rejoining TF, I had the major decision of giving up my full time permanent government job to take over the care of my elderly mother and have just gone through the anniversary of when things went seriously south which any emotional eater would have the scales moving north instead of south.  I have still done some serious damage to my weight loss!  I never really learnt anything over that five year period really, the band did it all for me.  You would have thought that the feeling of being so much lighter would have motivated me to keep the weight off but no, I went back to my comfort eating until I found myself not fitting into my clothes and knew I  had to do something about it.

TF works for me as I am a Territorian who loves her Pauls Iced Coffee and am addicted to white bread.  The shakes allows me to have a "milk drink" of a morning which feels normal to me.  I like the shakes.  TF is teaching me about portion control and good foods. Yes there are things I cannot have but with the new progress program I know in time when the weight is back down, I will again be allow to eat such things and enjoy.  I am learning and I am achieving and it is me in control of the situation and not a foreign crutch.  I did alot of research at the beginning when thinking about the lapband and everyone just breezed over the complications that I too did not really think seriously about. But as said, if it was you, the unlucky one and find yourself in that position like I did, its such a horrible, horrible situation to be in. The guilt of putting your love ones through it and knowing you could have died!  I have been asked if I would have another band and the answer is No. 

I intend working the TF program as good as I can and for as long as it is necessary to get to my goal weight of 85kgs. I know there are big chances it will be three steps forward and two back, but I am determined to achieve this time and with this forum and believe I will!

I do wish you the very best in whatever you do but felt the need to share my story with you.

Kakadu sorry to hear you were one of the very few with terrible terrible complications.  I guess being 70kgs overweight  wasn't doing your health any good either. Bit of a catch 22 isn't it.     So glad you came through it all ok.  I've thought of banding or balloon etc. myself many times over and what has stopped me is a. my fear of surgery and b. knowing that it does not change the way you eat emotionally at all - it FORCES you to change and therefore doesn't really deal with any issues associated with over-eating.  You're still a good 40kg better off than you were so small mercies eh.... I really hope you continue your journey on TF and get the results you desire and deserve.

 

Mini Goal - 130kg end of May

 

.

.

GOAL 95kg (size 16/18)
- a healthier, happier painfree sandradeee

 

  

Overall Weightloss Ticker 


  
Whatever Works - journey in pictures can be found here

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Posted Thursday, 12 November 2009 2:49 PM


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Cullen (11/11/2009)
~~Mountain-Maiden~~ (11/11/2009)
glad to see your doing ok cullen

how much can you eat in one go with the balloon? im just being a dory


Hey Mountain Maiden,

As I only had it in last week, still in the 'soft food' phase. For breakfast had a small sustagen popper, lunch I had a baby-sized tin of spaghetti and dinner I had maybe half a potato and a few bites of chicken. I feel pretty full, may have had too much chicken! haha It's just this stage where I'm getting my energy back up - so anything soft I will have, then the food becomes a calorie-controlled situation.

Eventually will be able to eat most foods, but just more like a bread-and-butter side plate. I will know more in a few weeks when things settle and I learn how much I can handle etc.

Didn't want to go through the gastric band or the other thing where they cut your stomach in half - too scary and dangerous!

All the best!

Cullen

Hey Maiden

The Balloon works in a similar manner to the band once inserted.  It is inserted through your mouth into your stomach then it is filled with a saline to expand the balloon (its inserted as a deflated balloon).  The surgery is less invasive as they don't cut etc. and you're in and out.  But the balloon is full inside your stomach thereby making the stomach capacity smaller.  After 6 months they go back into your stomach via your mouth and pop the balloon then suck it back up the tube out your mouth again.

I'm really interested in how you go Cullen.  I don't believe anything that requires going to hospital is an easy decision (or easy easy out) and wish you all the best for great results.

 

Mini Goal - 130kg end of May

 

.

.

GOAL 95kg (size 16/18)
- a healthier, happier painfree sandradeee

 

  

Overall Weightloss Ticker 


  
Whatever Works - journey in pictures can be found here

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